Andy is joined by former head of the Pentagons AATIP programme, Luis Elizondo for one of his last interviews for some time: – Reflecting on 4 and a half years of work – Biggest mistake – Wow! moments – Different shapes of craft – Lue’s book & possible Joe Rogan appearance? – In five years time..? – Listener questions And much, much more…! Recorded 23rd April 2022.